I ordered 10 seeds. 7 germinated and then 5 of the 7 didnt make it past the first week. I chalked it up as a lost or maybe something i did wrong. This was the second time i ordered. The first time i only ordered 5 seeds and 4 of the 5 made it. Im now trying to get a west coast og seed to germinate. Day 5 and still nothing. I am very disappointed in this buy and realy think i will just cut my losses and take my business elsewhere. This was an terrible experience for me. But we live and we learn. I just hate throwing my money away. Thanks for nothing guys. Have a good one. Ps. The shipping and discreetness thereof however is excellent. Just wish my seeds were.