Alan is great on the trade counter aswell as tony and trace taking the orders over the phone..really nice people .... iv delt with lions for about 20 years or so...BUT dont loose us small companys who backed you all those years ago.. ... i do alot of work for other framers and there slowly moving away from you to centrado... lion grows and your price goes up... not good.. shame the van also dont come our way but brum only tut tut... im not to far from you either I think lion is good but alittle fine tuning wouldnt go amiss call me if u want to discuss it more nicola - just being honest regards jason ( elegant frames)