“I've bought many pairs of these pants over the last 20 years. Smart enough around town when newish, tough as for work (building) and back country fishing and bush bashing. They fit perfectly and dry quickly. Water repellent when new but that doesn't last. I put closed cell foam pads in the knees for stalking fish. All my edc remains discreet as there are no untidy external cargo pockets. 16 pockets so if I'm not carefull I loose things. Shorts are the same although obviously no knee pad pockets. I'll keep buying.”