“these are comfortable but a bit loose for my liking--somehow they fit looser than my other tomboyx boxers in a similar style, which was really the opposite of what I wanted in this case. (as an aside, these don't have the tight band around the thighs like the other boxers do, which i do like!) but it feels like my packer's just kind of floating around in there, even with the elastic band in the pocket, which sits a bit too high for me. and i could take or leave the button fly--it's nice but with the packer in, the buttons protrude in a way i'm not a huge fan of. overall, these are comfortable/wearable as boxers still, and I'll use them that way, but I'll be looking for something that feels more secure for packing.”