If I could give them 0 stars I would. I received some poorly made shorts that after one light wear fell apart. I get it manufacturing default no biggie. So I shared the pictures and asked for a replacement. The shorts were discontinued as they were bought in the sale so I logically wanted a refund. Since then it's been non stop emails back and forth. Still awaiting a refund after sending the shorts back. So yeah never using them again. *Update 11/06/24 ( 3 months since this began) After waiting and going back with more information that they already had they said that is all we can do and we can move forward no further. NO REFUND, NO REPLACEMENT. NO CUSTOMER SERVICE.