I have a brand new Neff pyrolytic oven. I have gone from Yorkshire Pudding supremo with all my previous old ovens to such a disasters I no longer attempt them. Yes, I know all about the fine art of making them re-mixture, beating, temperature, duration etc. Tried different settings - bread making, circotherm etc., different temperatures...but always turn out the same. I have even followed Neff's own recipe and instructions to the letter. Still the same. My mixture and technique work in other ovens but not this one. Tried and tried. Now given up. And no, I am not going to a class to "learn how to use a Neff oven". I really can't see any benefit in buying this expensive oven. Just an over priced gimmick. Do I really need a sliding door that in any case is impossible to clean? Thankfully. I am moving house. My new place will not be getting a Neff. Buy cheaper and simpler or, if you can afford it, Miele.