They will confuse you on you're size,suggest wrong size,and screw you're order up,send you wrong size,and make you jump through hoops to get refund. I know my size,don't need Patagonia,create web site to confuse my own knowledge,and screw up order,100%their fault,put back on me to now jump through hoops for them to rectify.Walmart does a better job.I want my money back,and won't shop here no more.REI,don't do me like this,neither does China.