I ordered these from Abu Dhabi and within three days I had them and took them out to the desert the next day I took the new. Over the past 30 years I have owned three sets of aluminium adjustable poles. So the Helvellyn are my first set of carbon fibre fixed length ones. Having now put over put the 50K on them I am amazed at the difference in weight and how they feel in use. Harrier certainly hit the mark with these. For reference my height is 178 but still went with the ones for a 175 height (the 120 ones). If anything they put the angle on my elbow just under 90 degrees but when in use with the 45 degree backwards rake they are perfect.