first off! i want to say this hair is absolutely stunning! i have been using babes hair for over 3 years have been recently certified in bellami and still prefer the babes hair way!! just recently became certified in the keratin method for more hybrid usage for my clients with fine hair that can't that the weft too close to their hairline! love love love i used a combination of patsy and dottie! 18" k tips 4 boxes!