“I bought these pants in Pine Grove/Black and the Black/Pink combos. They have 2 different weights of fabric. The Black/ Pink combo is heavier fabric than the Pine Grove/Black . They fit differently also. The Black/Pink Combo is slightly looser in the waist than the Pine Grove/ Black combo. But with this said... I am 5'10 and weigh 163. I bought both in M Tall. They are slightly long..but I love the length. They are perfect in fit and for what I need. I am 61 and play pickleball and attend a HIT classes weekly. So I need pants that I can move in. I also walk regularly . I need pants for cold Pennsylvania temperatures. Thank you for making pants that fit.... When you are as old as me...you get used to things not fitting correctly because they just don't make them long enough. Yeah! Pants long enough and they fit!”