I recently ordered a black self-tie bow tie and a cummerbund. I did so because of my past dealings with Tieroom.com. When I received them I was honestly shocked at the inferior quality of the product. The bow tie was so flimsy as to make it appear as a Halloween costume prop. The material of the cummerbund was better but the fastening arrangement was a rigid Velcro system which allowed for zero movement which would occur in the mid-section during routine standing, sitting, etc. I returned the items in question immediately and I have complete faith in Tieroom.com that a refund will be forthcoming. I said "shocked" earlier because I have numerous, quality made neckties and pocket squares in my wardrobe from Tieroom.com and I treasure them! I will continue to purchase those products from Tieroom.com without hesitation. Good Day!